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Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:44:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:We know the end result, which is an ongoing investigation and ISK deletion. How can you delete that which hasn't been created?
As has been stated rather clearly already, anyone found to have knowingly profited from the use or abuse of an exploit or other game defect can and will have any ISK removed from their wallets. No use crying about it. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:48:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: No isk was created, no isk can thus be deleted.
Lord Zim wrote: In fact, isk has already been deleted, last I heard to the tune of 500b or thereabouts.
I'm sorry, could you be a little more unclear? As to your assertion that only "created" ISK can be deleted, this is a fallacy. Any ISK obtained outside the rules of the game, or due to faulty mechanics that are knowingly abused can and will be deleted. To think otherwise is pure folly.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:52:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:We know the end result, which is an ongoing investigation and ISK deletion. How can you delete that which hasn't been created? As has been stated rather clearly already, anyone found to have knowingly profited from the use or abuse of an exploit or other game defect can and will have any ISK removed from their wallets. No use crying about it. But they have not actually GOTTEN any isk yet. Only items that will be sold for ~5 trillion over the next few months.
The fact that they have not yet sold those items is irrelevant. They have obtained items, whose combined value far exceeds the value of the items that were destroyed in order to obtain these ones. Thus they have already profited, and in doing so have unbalanced a system that, without CCP's direct intervention, will remain heavily damaged. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:54:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Lord Zim wrote: No isk was created, no isk can thus be deleted.
Lord Zim wrote: In fact, isk has already been deleted, last I heard to the tune of 500b or thereabouts.
I'm sorry, could you be a little more unclear? As to your assertion that only "created" ISK can be deleted, this is a fallacy. Any ISK obtained outside the rules of the game, or due to faulty mechanics that are knowingly abused can and will be deleted. To think otherwise is pure folly. You apparently didn't catch the 500b which were sunk to acquire the goods. That isk is no longer in the EVE economy. And you apparently think this is different from insurance fraud, pax amarria refinery, etc etc etc. Oh, I know why, "goons" weren't the ones using those mechanics.
Did I mention insurance fraud? Or Pax Amarria? I do not believe that I did. All I said was that anyone caught knowingly abusing a flaw in the system can, and will, have that profit removed. Whether that is by putting wallets in the negative, or by removing items, such as in this case. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:58:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: Care to enumerate the damages, Mr. Carreon?
Oh how thoroughly droll, I too am a fan of The Oatmeal. I have said my piece, the actions I mentioned have precedence in the game and CCP are rather outspoken when it comes to systemic abuse of game mechanics.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:00:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Did I mention insurance fraud? Or Pax Amarria? I do not believe that I did. All I said was that anyone caught knowingly abusing a flaw in the system can, and will, have that profit removed. Whether that is by putting wallets in the negative, or by removing items, such as in this case. Insurance fraud and pax amarria refinery was also "game mechanics" which could be (and was) used to create resources out of thin air.
Indeed, and if I recall correctly people got in trouble over both. Not to mention that insurance fraud is no longer possible because, shock horror, the flawed mechanic was fixed. As for Pax Amarria issues, that would only ever have been a minuscule issue at best, since supply of said item was extremely limited and thus any damage done very minor in comparison to more recent events. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:08:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Did I mention insurance fraud? Or Pax Amarria? I do not believe that I did. All I said was that anyone caught knowingly abusing a flaw in the system can, and will, have that profit removed. Whether that is by putting wallets in the negative, or by removing items, such as in this case. Insurance fraud and pax amarria refinery was also "game mechanics" which could be (and was) used to create resources out of thin air. Indeed, and if I recall correctly people got in trouble over both. Not to mention that insurance fraud is no longer possible because, shock horror, the flawed mechanic was fixed. As for Pax Amarria issues, that would only ever have been a minuscule issue at best, since supply of said item was extremely limited and thus any damage done very minor in comparison to more recent events. You can buy Pax Amarria from NPC sell orders. And can you show us where anyone got actioned for any of those things? A simple archived forum thread is all you need to provide. eve-search will help.
My apologies on the Pax Amarria issue, I incorrectly inferred that this was an issue with the newly released Pax. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:11:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: Just like the FW LP won't be possible because the flawed mechanic will get fixed.
I think we both know that comparing the money made from insurance fraud, by countless players over many years, had much less of a dramatic impact than one small (comparatively) group of people acquiring over 900 trillion ISK's worth of items. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:13:00 -
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There is one word that sums this up.
Hubris. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:15:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Just like the FW LP won't be possible because the flawed mechanic will get fixed.
I think we both know that comparing the money made from insurance fraud, by countless players over many years, had much less of a dramatic impact than one small (comparatively) group of people acquiring over 900 trillion ISK's worth of items. where did you get 900 trillion
Just ignore me for the next half hour, I've not eaten and I keep trying to post on here instead of eating :/ Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:22:00 -
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Arrgthepirate wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead. Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit. But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring! You're ******** if you think these people aren't skilled and dedicated enough to recover. Next time something exploitable comes around it's going to take CCP way more effort to fix then getting a nice detailed report on how to do it sent to them, with 5 people to ruin. It's going to be exploited by as many people as it can be, for as long as it can be, and no one in their right mind would help CCP.
I'm curious, are you actually angry that some people, who took it upon themselves to throw a massive section of the market as well as faction warfare in to complete disarray in order to profit personally to the tune of hundreds of billions, now have the threat of rightful retribution hanging over their heads?
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I'm curious, are you actually angry that some people, who took it upon themselves to knowingly abuse a broken game mechanic to throw a massive section of the market as well as faction warfare in to complete disarray in order to profit personally to the tune of hundreds of billions, now have the threat of rightful retribution hanging over their heads? there is literally nothing wrong with doing what you detailed there are other things involved here
How can knowingly abusing a game mechanic you KNOW is broken, be OK?
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:34:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote: How can knowingly abusing a game mechanic you KNOW is broken, be OK?
pos bowling was always obviously broken but nobody ever got banned anywho i expect the gms are operating on a philosophy of seize first, investigate later to minimize the potential for the trail to be cold, we shall see where things shake out
That does seem like the quickest and most efficient way to deal with this situation. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:35:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I'm curious, are you actually angry that some people, who took it upon themselves to knowingly abuse a broken game mechanic to throw a massive section of the market as well as faction warfare in to complete disarray in order to profit personally to the tune of hundreds of billions, now have the threat of rightful retribution hanging over their heads? there is literally nothing wrong with doing what you detailed there are other things involved here How can knowingly abusing a game mechanic you KNOW is broken, be OK? we can, for example, use our massive amount of tech ISK (tech being a broken mechanic) to do exactly what you said
Again, this does not make it right, which was my point in the first place. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:52:00 -
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Xython wrote:
"excess LP" = something from nothing. Otherwise, it wouldn't be "excess", right?
Excess has never, nor will it ever, mean something from nothing. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Oisin Sandovar wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. I think the message is really, file a bug report. This has worked really well in the past, I hear.
That is no justification Malcanis. If you know its broken and abusable, report it and carry on as before, maybe spread the word that it is broken (though maybe not HOW it is broken) so that others can also file reports. But never, ever abuse it, or you will end up like a certain group of individuals that just came to light. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:16:00 -
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Hmm, have we gone from "yay we are goons, we are awesome" to "oh dear we got caught and spanked" to "cheating should be ok because the mechanic was flawed" to "EVE is dying"? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:23:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Hmm, have we gone from "yay we are goons, we are awesome" to "oh dear we got caught and spanked" to "cheating should be ok because the mechanic was flawed" to "EVE is dying"? No. Just that the game has changed a bit. Everyone will have their own opinion on if that is a good thing or not. Obviously I am biased but I have had this opinion every since they got neg-pressed into banning mittens. For something they clearly saw with their own eyes and ignored.
If there are members of your alliance who have had items removed despite not having anything to do with this mess, then I have plenty of sympathy for them, but for those who knew exactly what they were doing I have none to spare. Bringing up past and unrelated incidents does nothing to strengthen your argument I'm afraid. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:25:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Oisin Sandovar wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:one must ask what a world we have wrought when white hats are shat upon.
The 5 people involved were not white hats. They were grey hats. By lashing out, CCP has just blackened their hats and souls with the darkest of infernal charcoal. Pain will be dished out in due time. Big girls don't cry. It's not even a threat, it's a statement.
That sort of statement is unwarranted and is a complete over reaction to the current situation. You would do well to take a self enforced break from gaming if you cannot distance yourself properly. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:27:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Hmm, have we gone from "yay we are goons, we are awesome" to "oh dear we got caught and spanked" to "cheating should be ok because the mechanic was flawed" to "EVE is dying"? We've gone from 'isn't this an awesome game where players control their own destinies in an open sandbox and this sort of thing is possible' to, 'hmmm, guess we were wrong about the whole open sandbox thing'. Eve Online 2012: Winning is an exploit.
It is not winning when you abuse a mechanic you know to be broken, any more than it is legal to keep a bag of cash a bank robber dropped on his way out of the bank.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:It is not winning when you abuse a mechanic you know to be broken good, so every alliance who has taken their tech moons through use of blapping titans should have them taken away
Trying to push attention away from the current situation does not change it. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 13:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Andrea Roche wrote: nerf to incursions............. exploiting the market! what's the hypocrisy there?
Clearer? Incursions were rebalanced after CCP decided, and rightly so, that the Incursion mechanic was in need of fixing owing to people making obscene amounts of ISK, the same applies to the FW mechanic. Thus hypocrisy. I'm not going to take sides in your argument, I just thought a little clarification was needed. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 13:39:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Andrea Roche wrote: nerf to incursions............. exploiting the market! what's the hypocrisy there? Clearer? that's not hypocrisy
I posted too early and have since modified my answer. I should also point out that I am not taking sides here. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Haquer wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:and you're not qualified to discuss the matter because anything you type is hearsay Oh damn son, you got me there. Pack it in boys, the things that we heard straight from the people this happened to is hearsay. We're finished. End of Goonswarm.
You repeating the words of others to use as a form of defence, as evidence of any kind, or in the course of a discussion IS hearsay. The only way it could be anything other than hearsay, is if you are the person it happened to.
EDIT: For the sake of clarity, the only people qualified to discuss this situation are those who were directly involved. That is to say the 8 people from Goonswarm who perpetrated the acts, and the staff at CCP. Everything else is conjecture and hearsay. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:09:00 -
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Holander Switzerland wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I already addressed that. Please do not twist my statements. I'm not part of your propaganda campaign and won't allow it to interfere with our official communications to our customers.
Alright, I will not "twist" your words any longer, I will just state that they are nothing but words on a forum.
I think you are sailing about as close to the wind as you can get Holander. You may want to take self enforced break, go and get some fresh air and do something else, before you say something else and get given a break.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:17:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:Is Eve still a sandbox? I'm pretty confused right now. It is until you hit an arbitrary limit in which it's "abuse" and then get your assets seized.
It's not arbitrary, it only appears that way because you are an end user, not a developer or IP owner. Arbitrary would imply that it serves no exact purpose, when clearly it does.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:20:00 -
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Holander Switzerland wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I think you are sailing about as close to the wind as you can get Holander. You may want to take self enforced break, go and get some fresh air and do something else, before you say something else and get given a break.
Oh man, looking out for me. Where would I be without my wing-man, uh, er, whoever you are. I'm going to continue flying higher though and you can go back to being irrelevant.
In a game with this many players, we are each as relevant as one another. The fact that you choose to be rude and discourteous to someone merely offering honest advice says little for your character sir. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:29:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Dear goons; again. This is an exploit, that is a completely unintented use of game mechanics.
We didn't intend for this game mechanic to work in the way that we designed it to work even though people repeatedly told us it was dumb. I can state 100% that we did not intend the mechanic to function this way. Not working as intended? Oh my. Maybe you guys should make things better rather than going on asset grabbing rampages when a group of players understands the impact of your changes better than you do.
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:Just to save Screegs the typing:
The bottom line is you have to tolerate what we do or go make your own internet spaceship game to play.
The bottom line is clearly stated in the EULA that each and every player is required to agree to upon joining this game. Toleration is not required, but a basic grasp of the rules should be. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:33:00 -
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Tallon Sylph wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in.
Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox?
As was said earlier, the key really is in that word you seem to be hung up on. All boxes have boundaries, they must in order for them to function, without boundaries there would be utter chaos and would bring about the demise of any system fairly rapidly. Until now those boundaries have, for the most part, seemed non-existent because no-one had really found them.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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